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What One of My Classes at Concordia St. Paul Looks Like

06 Nov

Last night for the online class I teach at Concordia (an introduction to “historic, biblical Christianity” as we say), I was doing the class from within a moving car and forgot to record our WebEx session. Ugh. As a student missed the class, I was not sure what to do.

I decided to go back to one of the transcripts from one of my previous classes when we did not use WebEx, but only text chat.  I changed all of the names and dates in the chat and thought it might be interesting for some of you to see what the class basically looks like.

Just by perusing the transcript you might get a feel for why I like the online style of teaching so much. Look at the kind of participation that you can get.  My comments are in ALL CAPS.  When people use the asterisk (*), that just means: “OK / I am following you / I understand, etc”

The chat is done 7 times but the main component of the class is the reading the students must do and the discussion boards. Each week’s chat looks more deeply at the previous week’s reading.

I hope you enjoy the peek.

 

Nathan Rinne: LET’S GET STARTED… THE FIRST 3 CHAPTERS OF GENESIS – WHAT STOOD OUT TO YOU? EVERYONE THROW OUT SOMETHING… Xxx 25, 2015 8:04:44 PM CDT
Josephine H.: I’ve been finding a lot of interesting ideas that I don’t have time to further explore now, so making marks in the Bible to go back later 🙂 Xxx 25, 2015 8:04:52 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: The part where God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son. I was a little upset by this, even though he stopped him before he actually did it. Xxx 25, 2015 8:05:22 PM CDT
Anita Z.: I almost wish this class was seperated into 2 classes, I totally agree with you MEGAN! Xxx 25, 2015 8:05:25 PM CDT
Megan A.: I’m finding it interesting to see how the names I have heard throughout my life are related ad connected. Xxx 25, 2015 8:05:35 PM CDT
Susan R.: @MIRANDA I agree Xxx 25, 2015 8:05:39 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: oh whoops. First 3 chapters! Sorry Xxx 25, 2015 8:05:40 PM CDT
Susan R.: Adam and Eve. They ate the apple. This is where everything seems to start Xxx 25, 2015 8:05:44 PM CDT
Julie B.: Cain killing Abel Xxx 25, 2015 8:05:46 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: YEP – FIRST THREE… Xxx 25, 2015 8:05:47 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: Adam and Eve Xxx 25, 2015 8:05:51 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: The serpent Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:00 PM CDT
Karen M.: Abraham having to sacrafice his first child Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:02 PM CDT
Susan R.: I also liked reasing about the creation of the world. Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:09 PM CDT
Jillian O.: Something that has always stood out to me is when God refers ho himself as “us” a few times in the beggining of Genesis Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:10 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: o good one KAREN Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:14 PM CDT
Mason L.: Humanity starting out from Adam & Eve.. Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:19 PM CDT
Martha O.: learning how all the creation started Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:25 PM CDT
John W.: Abraham being asked to sacrafice his son was an intense passage. I was thoroughly impressed with Abrhams response. Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:27 PM CDT
Jillian O.: also the serpent, which is not specifically described as the devil Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:31 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: The marvelousness of what he is creating. Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:44 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: THAT COMES LATER GUYS – ABRAHAM AND ISAAC THAT IS.. Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:45 PM CDT
Karen M.: Also yes how everything was created including man and woman Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:49 PM CDT
John W.: sorry Xxx 25, 2015 8:06:54 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: The notes that you gave to us were also something that made me really think when you suggested that the the tree was put there because we need to want to obey God Xxx 25, 2015 8:07:31 PM CDT
Martha O.: reading about the flesh and using the ribs to create a woman right? Xxx 25, 2015 8:07:33 PM CDT
Josephine H.: The idea of God “walking through the Garden”…really great to imagine God enjoying his creation like a gardener enjoying their garden and hard work Xxx 25, 2015 8:07:39 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: OK. YES, IN THE BEGINNING THINGS WERE MADE VERY GOOD. ADAM AND EVE HAD IT ALL – THEY WERE ONLY TOLD TO NOT EAT FROM THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:07:51 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: ANYONE WONDER ABOUT THE IDENTITY OF THE SERPENT? Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:06 PM CDT
Michael A.: Your notes tipped me off to how God created Man differntly than everything else… Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:13 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: I did! Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:14 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: MARTHA…I love that part! We read that passage at my wedding. Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:16 PM CDT
Susan R.: Yes, I just think of the devil Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:18 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: I always felt it was the devil Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:21 PM CDT
Susan R.: I thought he was the devil Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:23 PM CDT
Jillian O.: CASSIDY-good point. free will Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:25 PM CDT
Martha O.: wow MIRANDA Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:26 PM CDT
John W.: I thought devil Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:35 PM CDT
Rebecca S.: devil was my thought Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:36 PM CDT
Megan A.: I’ve heard that he represents Satan Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:37 PM CDT
Karen M.: I did and then kept reading, didn’t think too much about it Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:42 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: I just thought it was a snake. Haha Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:55 PM CDT
Jillian O.: I did wonder Xxx 25, 2015 8:08:57 PM CDT
Jillian O.: Why is it assumed that he is the devil? or it… Xxx 25, 2015 8:09:18 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: IV. HE IS USUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH SATAN, LUCIFER, THE DEVIL. HIS BEGINNING IS A BIT OF A MYSTERY, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL SCRIPTURAL PASSAGES THAT SUGGEST HE WAS AN ANGEL, WHO, IN HIS PRIDE, REBELLED AGAINST GOD AND TOOK 1/3 OF THE ANGELS WITH HIM. IN THE N.T. IT TALKS ABOUT THE CHURCH CRUSHING SATAN UNDERNEATH THEIR FEET… Xxx 25, 2015 8:09:21 PM CDT
Susan R.: Could he have been God trying to see if they would decieve him?? Xxx 25, 2015 8:09:22 PM CDT
Michael A.: “Talking” snake made me think Satan Xxx 25, 2015 8:09:33 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: What i didn’t really think about until reading now was if God put him there to tempt Xxx 25, 2015 8:09:43 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: wow I would have never considered that Xxx 25, 2015 8:09:50 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: i just assumed he came to try to mennace what God had created Xxx 25, 2015 8:10:00 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: Good point, MICHAEL! Xxx 25, 2015 8:10:04 PM CDT
Martha O.: me neither Xxx 25, 2015 8:10:05 PM CDT
Rebecca S.: i had always heard the saying the devil used to be an angel when I was little but didn’t understand it at the time Xxx 25, 2015 8:10:13 PM CDT
Karen M.: interesting, I wouldn’t have thought about it in that light Xxx 25, 2015 8:10:13 PM CDT
Jillian O.: I started on next weeks reading and Job specifically talks about the angel satan Xxx 25, 2015 8:10:14 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: DEFINITELY ALLOWED BY GOD TO BE THERE. THAT IS FOR SURE…. SO, WHAT IS THE MAIN THING THE SERPENT SAID TO THEM? Xxx 25, 2015 8:10:18 PM CDT
John W.: Wow I never heard about the fact he was thought to be an angel previously Xxx 25, 2015 8:10:18 PM CDT
Mason L.: So God created his angels before he created man? Xxx 25, 2015 8:10:40 PM CDT
Mason L.: Were they around before creation of the world? Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:05 PM CDT
Susan R.: nothing will happen if they dont obey Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:06 PM CDT
Susan R.: That if they eat the fruit they will become like God and know good from evil. Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:11 PM CDT
Michael A.: He told them that if they eat the apple their eyes will be opened Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:13 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: MASON – SEEMS TO BE THE CASE… THEY ARE CREATIONS OF GOD, AND SO WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE AT SOME POINT BEFOREHAND… Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:18 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: they would be like God Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:22 PM CDT
John W.: That God would want them to think for themselves and eat the fruit. Nothin would happen Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:23 PM CDT
Megan A.: That they would be like God Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:26 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: Agreed, SUSAN. And that they won’t die. Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:28 PM CDT
Julie B.: to make them question what God said Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:35 PM CDT
Karen M.: eat the apple, they won’t die Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:38 PM CDT
Susan R.: I don’t think they were told that they would not di Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:43 PM CDT
Susan R.: or become immortal. Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:51 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: OK GUYS – YES – HE SAID ALL THESE THINGS. HERE, THOUGH, IS THE GIST OF IT: “DID GOD REALLY SAY?” Xxx 25, 2015 8:11:59 PM CDT
Susan R.: tempting them Xxx 25, 2015 8:12:11 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: NOTICE THE SEED OF DOUBT…. DID GOD REALLY SAY?…. I SUGGEST THAT HIS TACTICS HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME. Xxx 25, 2015 8:12:25 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:12:45 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:12:49 PM CDT
Jillian O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:12:53 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:12:55 PM CDT
Karen M.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:12:56 PM CDT
John W.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:12:56 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: DO ANY OF YOU SEE THE IRONY IN SATAN TELLING THEM THEY WOULD BE LIKE GOD? WHY SHOULD THAT PERHAPS STAND OUT TO US? (GREAT JULIE- THAT’S IT) Xxx 25, 2015 8:12:56 PM CDT
Anita Z.: Evil can protray itself as good at points Xxx 25, 2015 8:13:28 PM CDT
Mason L.: It sounds like all Satan needed to do was just plant a seed of doubt.. Xxx 25, 2015 8:13:40 PM CDT
John W.: Yeah because if God said not to eat it why would eating it make them like God? Xxx 25, 2015 8:13:42 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: Because no one can be like God. He is the creator of all Xxx 25, 2015 8:13:50 PM CDT
Megan A.: Feeding into their ego Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:01 PM CDT
Susan R.: I don’t know actually Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:12 PM CDT
Megan A.: Pride is a deadly sin Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:24 PM CDT
Susan R.: what @CASSIDY said Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:26 PM CDT
Michael A.: People always seek to rationalize their behavior somehow… Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:26 PM CDT
Martha O.: me neither SUSAN Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:28 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: OK – HERE IS WHAT I AM THINKING: THEY WERE LIKE GOD ALREADY. THEY WERE NOT GOD, BUT HIS CREATION BUT THEY WERE LIKE HIM – IN HIS IMAGE… Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:30 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:42 PM CDT
Josephine H.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:44 PM CDT
Susan R.: I understand now. Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:46 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:47 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: QUITE THE LIE, HUH? Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:49 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:50 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:50 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:50 PM CDT
John W.: Oh i see Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:50 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: true Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:53 PM CDT
Karen M.: got it Xxx 25, 2015 8:14:56 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: AFTER ADAM AND EVE COMMIT THE SIN, SOMETHING CHANGES WITHIN THEM. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:03 PM CDT
John W.: Yeah very much so Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:04 PM CDT
Anita Z.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:04 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: they covered themselves Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:14 PM CDT
Mason L.: They feel shame Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:16 PM CDT
Susan R.: bcause they knew that hey were naked Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:22 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: they felt shame Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:25 PM CDT
Susan R.: Cover themselves Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:27 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: They hid when they heard God coming. Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:29 PM CDT
Karen M.: how they felt, shame Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:29 PM CDT
John W.: They start questioning things and did not want to be naked because they were ashamed Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:30 PM CDT
Susan R.: and covered themselves when God arrived Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:30 PM CDT
Michael A.: Their innocence was gone Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:31 PM CDT
Martha O.: they laid naked on the ground Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:33 PM CDT
Megan A.: They realize their nudity and try to hide it – shame Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:34 PM CDT
Jillian O.: yes they were ashamed to be anked Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:36 PM CDT
Rebecca S.: they felt ashamed and covered Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:45 PM CDT
Julie B.: they needed to cover themselves, feeling shame. Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:45 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: ashamed of themselves embarassed Xxx 25, 2015 8:15:52 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: they also hid when God came back Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:05 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: VERY GOOD…. THAT’S RIGHT. THEY TURN FROM TRUSTING GOD AND HIS WORDS TO THE DEVIL AND HIS WORDS AND THEY REALIZE THEY ARE NAKED. THIS IS KNOWN AS THE FALL. THIS SHOWS US THEIR INNOCENCE BEING LOST. SOMETHING – NOT NECESARILY SOMETHING TOO TANGIBLE – IN HUMANITY HAS FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:10 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:26 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:30 PM CDT
Anita Z.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:34 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:37 PM CDT
Michael A.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:38 PM CDT
Karen M.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:38 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:40 PM CDT
Josephine H.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:50 PM CDT
John W.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:50 PM CDT
Jillian O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:51 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: THEY ARE NO LONGER SEEKING GOD, LOOKING FORWARD TO WAKING WITH HIM IN FELLOWSHIP IN THE GARDEN. THEY ARE RUNNING FROM HIM… Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:53 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:16:55 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:17:05 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:17:15 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:17:18 PM CDT
Anita Z.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:17:19 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:17:25 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: AND THIS IS A SIGN FOR US – WE ALL, BY NATURE, CONTINUE TO RUN FROM HIM. WHEN ADAM AND EVE HAVE CHILDREN, WE ARE NOW TOLD THEY ARE IN THEIR IMAGE…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:17:35 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: They now fear him that is something new to them too. Am i correct Xxx 25, 2015 8:17:36 PM CDT
Susan R.: not in God Xxx 25, 2015 8:17:54 PM CDT
Susan R.: s image? Xxx 25, 2015 8:17:56 PM CDT
Susan R.: but in the image of Adam and Eve correct? Xxx 25, 2015 8:18:30 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: SO… WHAT DID GOD TELL ADAM AND EVE WOULD HAPPEN THE DAY THEY ATE FROM THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL (NOT FROM THE TREE OF LIFE) … DEFINITELY CASSIDY…SUSAN – NO, THAT IS STILL THERE (SEE GEN. 9) FRACTURED MAYBE… BUT STILL THERE… BUT IT DOES SAY SETH IS IN THEIR IMAGE…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:18:44 PM CDT
Michael A.: Why was the apple forbidden in the first palce? Xxx 25, 2015 8:19:10 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: SO BOTH… ITS JUST NOW THE EMPHASIS IS ON THE THEIR BEING IN THEIR OWN IMAGE…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:19:17 PM CDT
Megan A.: they would surely die Xxx 25, 2015 8:19:23 PM CDT
Susan R.: gotcha Xxx 25, 2015 8:19:37 PM CDT
Susan R.: they were cursed Xxx 25, 2015 8:19:56 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: DID THEY MEGAN? Xxx 25, 2015 8:19:59 PM CDT
John W.: They would die Xxx 25, 2015 8:19:59 PM CDT
Martha O.: without the ability to not love, without the ability to disobey? Xxx 25, 2015 8:20:20 PM CDT
John W.: No they didn’t because they were punished and forgiven Xxx 25, 2015 8:20:30 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: no they didn’t Xxx 25, 2015 8:20:34 PM CDT
Megan A.: No, not immediately, he gave them punishment instead Xxx 25, 2015 8:20:36 PM CDT
Martha O.: without the option to chose? Xxx 25, 2015 8:20:42 PM CDT
Megan A.: The first example of his grace Xxx 25, 2015 8:20:59 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: GOOD… THEY DID NOT DIE PHYSICALLY…. THAT WOULD TAKE A WHILE (THE PROCESS UNDOUTEDLY STARTED AT THAT TIME THOUGH) – THEY DID DIE SPIRITUALLY THOUGH… Xxx 25, 2015 8:21:05 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:21:24 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: MICHAEL – I’D SAY IT WAS A TEST OF SORTS… THEY HAD TO BE FREE TO NOT LOVE Xxx 25, 2015 8:21:36 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: i never considered that they died spiritually but it makes a lot of sense Xxx 25, 2015 8:21:40 PM CDT
Susan R.: How did they die spiratually? They stil believed in God and had faith in him. Xxx 25, 2015 8:21:42 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: I was thinking that too, they died in a way. Their perfect life had come to an end Xxx 25, 2015 8:21:42 PM CDT
Jillian O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:21:42 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:21:47 PM CDT
Rebecca S.: makes sense Xxx 25, 2015 8:21:55 PM CDT
John W.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:21:56 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:22:03 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: YES, SPIRITIUAL DEATH…. AS WE SAW – SOMETHING CHANGED. INNOCENCE LOST. RELATIONSHIP SEVERED. FAR FROM HIM. NOT SEEKING HIM. WITHOUT HIM THERE IS NO LIFE. WE SHARE THE NATURE THEY CORRUPTED… WE ARE BORN SPIRITUALLY DEAD. Xxx 25, 2015 8:22:05 PM CDT
Susan R.: Thanks, I understand now. Xxx 25, 2015 8:22:27 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: SO THEY HAVE SEVERED THEMSELVES FROM HIM. BUT WHAT DOES HE DO NEXT FOR THEM? (DID THEY SUSAN?) Xxx 25, 2015 8:22:30 PM CDT
Karen M.: thanks, makes better sense now Xxx 25, 2015 8:22:38 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: so do we ever become spiritually alive then? Xxx 25, 2015 8:22:44 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: DID HE DESTORY THEM AND START OVER? Xxx 25, 2015 8:22:44 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: DID HE PUNISH THEM AND LEAVE THEM HIGH AND DRY? Xxx 25, 2015 8:22:54 PM CDT
Jillian O.: No gives them children Xxx 25, 2015 8:22:57 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: No he let them live and have a life, family, and children Xxx 25, 2015 8:23:11 PM CDT
Karen M.: no Xxx 25, 2015 8:23:13 PM CDT
Susan R.: He did later on with Noah and the arc. Xxx 25, 2015 8:23:22 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: He punishes them by making women feel pain during childbirth and man having to work hard in the fields for food. Xxx 25, 2015 8:23:27 PM CDT
Michael A.: no, Xxx 25, 2015 8:23:27 PM CDT
Megan A.: No, he gave them the ability to produce and eat food, still have children, but with pain Xxx 25, 2015 8:23:30 PM CDT
Susan R.: Gave them clothing and a family Xxx 25, 2015 8:23:31 PM CDT
John W.: No he forgave them Xxx 25, 2015 8:23:37 PM CDT
Josephine H.: He punishes them, but he’s still there for him: kind of like when a parent grounds their chilld…still there and loving them, but there is consequences Xxx 25, 2015 8:23:42 PM CDT
John W.: but made them feel the pain of their choices Xxx 25, 2015 8:23:48 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: He does give them pennace with what will now change in their lives Xxx 25, 2015 8:23:51 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: HE REACHED OUT TO THEM. HE DID MAKE CLOTHES FOR THEM AND WE CAN ASSUME THIS IS THE FIRST TIME BLOOD IS SHED AS WELL… A HARBINGER OF HOW BLOOD PAYS FOR THE PRICE OF SIN.. Xxx 25, 2015 8:23:56 PM CDT
Susan R.: He sort of forgave them but he did punish them, like everyoine else is saying Xxx 25, 2015 8:24:02 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: @JOSEPHINE! I like that. Xxx 25, 2015 8:24:04 PM CDT
Michael A.: did he change them from immortal to mortal? Xxx 25, 2015 8:24:21 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THERE WERE PUNSHMENTS OR CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR SIN… BUT THE EMPHASIS IS ON THE GRACE…. (NICE JOSEPHINE…) Xxx 25, 2015 8:24:27 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:24:58 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: I am Catholic and it is kind of like the penance after confession! 🙂 Xxx 25, 2015 8:24:58 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:24:58 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:25:04 PM CDT
Julie B.: But they received two punishments to the one sin?? Xxx 25, 2015 8:25:09 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: MICHAEL – IT WOULD SEEM THAT THEY THEMSELVES DID THAT… THEY WERE NOT IMMORTAL IN THEMSELVES BUT MEANT, IT SEEMS, TO TAKE PART IN IMMORTALITY THROUGH FAITH/UNION WITH HIM. Xxx 25, 2015 8:25:14 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: JULIE- COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN? Xxx 25, 2015 8:25:33 PM CDT
Julie B.: So Eve received the pain of childbirth and the death of spirituality Xxx 25, 2015 8:25:57 PM CDT
Julie B.: and Adam recieved to the punishment to work in the soil and the death of spirituality Xxx 25, 2015 8:26:21 PM CDT
Julie B.: I want to make sure I’m following, thanks. Xxx 25, 2015 8:26:31 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: I AM SAYING THE EMPHASIS IS ON GRACE….GOD REACHED OUT TO ADAM AND EVE NOT JUST WITH CLOTHES BUT WITH WORDS – IN THE BIBLE WE ARE TOLD THAT IT IS THESE WORDS OF GOD THAT HAVE THE POWER TO NOT ONLY CREATE THE WORLD FROM NOTHING BUT TO GIVE REAL SPIRITUAL LIFE…. (JULIE- THERE WERE ALSO MORE PUNISHMENTS AS WELL… BUT HERE, I DO SUGGEST IT IS EASY TO OVERLOOK THE GRACE SHOWN… SO I AM HIGHLIGHTING IT – ITS THERE!) Xxx 25, 2015 8:26:51 PM CDT
Josephine H.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:27:13 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:27:16 PM CDT
Susan R.: & Xxx 25, 2015 8:27:17 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:27:24 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:27:35 PM CDT
Anita Z.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:27:35 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:27:39 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: He is showing he still loves them, and is there for them Xxx 25, 2015 8:27:40 PM CDT
Karen M.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:27:42 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:27:44 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: GOD’S WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE, AND AS JESUS WILL TELL US LATER IN THE BIBLE, WE LIVE BY EVERY WORD THAT COMES FROM HIS MOUTH… Xxx 25, 2015 8:27:52 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:28:21 PM CDT
Jillian O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:28:26 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:28:31 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: IT IS THAT WORD THAT RESTORES ADAM AND EVE…. THESE ARE WORDS THAT BRING US FROM DARKNESS TO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT JUST INFORMATION THAT WE ACT ON – THEY ARE WORDS THAT DO SOMETHING – LIKE A PASTOR SAYING “I PRONOUNCE YOU MAN AND WIFE” Xxx 25, 2015 8:28:33 PM CDT
Anita Z.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:28:35 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: DID ANY OF YOU REMEMBER WHAT GOD PROMISED TO EVE? Xxx 25, 2015 8:28:49 PM CDT
Megan A.: No, not off the top of my head. Xxx 25, 2015 8:29:14 PM CDT
Susan R.: I do not. Xxx 25, 2015 8:29:26 PM CDT
Martha O.: sorry Xxx 25, 2015 8:29:30 PM CDT
Megan A.: And sorry, I had Lasik this afternoon so I cant really read it right now Xxx 25, 2015 8:29:32 PM CDT
Karen M.: no, drawing a blank Xxx 25, 2015 8:29:36 PM CDT
John W.: No Xxx 25, 2015 8:29:52 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: SEE – IT IS HARD TO REMEMBER THE GRACE SHOWN…. IN GENESIS 3:15 GOD GIVES HER THE PROMISE THAT HER OFFSPRING WILL DESTROY EVIL (HERE WHERE WE GET INTO LORD OF THE RINGS/HERO KINDS OF STUFF) Xxx 25, 2015 8:29:53 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: OR STAR WARS…. LUKE…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:30:02 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: BUT THIS IS THE REAL CHOSEN ONE Xxx 25, 2015 8:30:12 PM CDT
Megan A.: Oh, yes, I missed that completely Xxx 25, 2015 8:30:22 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: WHO IS THAT OFFSPRING? IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THE CONNECTION IS MADE SPECIFICALLY… Xxx 25, 2015 8:30:28 PM CDT
Susan R.: I did too. I just overlooked that part. Xxx 25, 2015 8:30:35 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: HER OFFSPRING, WHO WILL CRUSH SATAN’S HEAD, IS JESUS…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:30:42 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:30:57 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: HE IS THE PROMISE WHO EMBODIES THE GRACE AND MERCY ALREADY SHOWN RIGHT AFTER THE FALL… Xxx 25, 2015 8:31:00 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:31:01 PM CDT
Jillian O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:31:19 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:31:22 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:31:23 PM CDT
Karen M.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:31:26 PM CDT
Anita Z.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:31:28 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:31:29 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: NOW, ADAM AND EVE WERE RESTORED TO A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THROUGH HIS LOVING WORDS TO THEM. BUT THEY STILL BORE THE EFFECTS OF SIN. THE FACT THAT THEY WOULD PHYSICALLY DIE SHOWS THAT THE INFECTION OF SIN STILL WAS IN THEM – IN SPITE OF THEIR BELIEIVNG… Xxx 25, 2015 8:31:34 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:31:38 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:31:50 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:31:54 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:32:00 PM CDT
Anita Z.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:32:05 PM CDT
Karen M.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:32:06 PM CDT
Josephine H.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:32:10 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: WHEN THEY WOULD HEAR THE WORD THOUGH, THEY WOULD BE SUSTAINED SPIRITUALLY, BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE TOTALLY HEALED UNTIL AFTER DEATH – WHEN THEY WOULD LIVE FOREVER… Xxx 25, 2015 8:32:10 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:32:46 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:32:50 PM CDT
Karen M.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:32:57 PM CDT
John W.: Oh I understand that . Xxx 25, 2015 8:32:59 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: THIS IS THE STORY FOR BELIEVERS TODAY AS WELL. THEY NEED TO KEEP HIS WORD. CLING TO IT. IT GIVES LIFE. IT SUSTAINS. BECAUSE IT IS FROM THE SOURCE OF LIFE AND ALL GOOD. Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:03 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU? Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:21 PM CDT
Susan R.: yup Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:25 PM CDT
Mason L.: Everlasting life Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:29 PM CDT
Anita Z.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:30 PM CDT
Michael A.: yes Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:34 PM CDT
John W.: Yes for sure. Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:37 PM CDT
Karen M.: yes, it makes sense Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:39 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: Makes sense. Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:41 PM CDT
Jillian O.: yes Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:44 PM CDT
Megan A.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:47 PM CDT
Susan R.: yes Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:50 PM CDT
Martha O.: yes Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:55 PM CDT
Josephine H.: Definitely Xxx 25, 2015 8:33:57 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: IF YOU ARE INTERSTED IN THIS ANALOGY OF SIN AS A FATAL INFECTION, CHECK OUT ROMANS 7 – WE’LL GET TO IT EVENTUALLY. BUT HERE WE SEE THAT EVEN CHRISTIANS STILL DEAL WITH THE POWER OF SIN IN THEIR LIVES – BEING IN THEM… CAUSING THEM TO DO WHAT THEY REALLY DON’T WANT TO DO… Xxx 25, 2015 8:34:17 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: BUT THAT CHAPTER ENDS WITH HOPE IN CHRIST WHO HELPS US FIGHT SIN IN THIS LIFE AND WE KNOW WILL TOTALLY RID US OF IT IN THE LIFE TO COME… Xxx 25, 2015 8:35:00 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: ALRIGHT – LET’S LOOK AT EXODUS – WHO IS GOD DEFEATING? Xxx 25, 2015 8:35:20 PM CDT
Michael A.: Pharoh Xxx 25, 2015 8:35:45 PM CDT
John W.: Pharoah Xxx 25, 2015 8:35:54 PM CDT
Megan A.: Egyptians Xxx 25, 2015 8:35:54 PM CDT
Josephine H.: Pharoah Xxx 25, 2015 8:35:56 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: Pharoh Xxx 25, 2015 8:35:57 PM CDT
Martha O.: Aron Xxx 25, 2015 8:35:58 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: THIS IS A CHALLENGING QUESTION…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:36:01 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: Pharoh Xxx 25, 2015 8:36:01 PM CDT
Susan R.: Pharaoah Xxx 25, 2015 8:36:02 PM CDT
Karen M.: Pharroah Xxx 25, 2015 8:36:04 PM CDT
Susan R.: The Pharoh and Egyptons Xxx 25, 2015 8:36:10 PM CDT
Julie B.: cruelty to people Xxx 25, 2015 8:36:16 PM CDT
Jillian O.: yeah this is a trick question but I don;’t know the right answer Xxx 25, 2015 8:36:20 PM CDT
Megan A.: The worship of others not HIm Xxx 25, 2015 8:36:21 PM CDT
Michael A.: thought it was too easy Xxx 25, 2015 8:36:21 PM CDT
Martha O.: yes Pharroach…sorry Xxx 25, 2015 8:36:27 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: IT SAYS IN EXODUS 12:12 HE BEATS THE GODS OFTHE EGYPTIANS… OH JILLIAN, WOULD I DO THAT? : ) Xxx 25, 2015 8:36:41 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: BUT WHO WERE THEY? Xxx 25, 2015 8:36:55 PM CDT
Jillian O.: demons? Xxx 25, 2015 8:37:10 PM CDT
Michael A.: False Gods? Xxx 25, 2015 8:37:23 PM CDT
Mason L.: Oppressors Xxx 25, 2015 8:37:24 PM CDT
Karen M.: first born people? Xxx 25, 2015 8:37:29 PM CDT
Julie B.: first born Xxx 25, 2015 8:37:32 PM CDT
Susan R.: I agree, false Gods? Xxx 25, 2015 8:37:39 PM CDT
Jillian O.: either demons or false gods…..?? Xxx 25, 2015 8:37:40 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: JILLIAN – YOU GOT IT. THE APOSTLE PAUL IN 1 Corinthians 10:20 Xxx 25, 2015 8:37:50 PM CDT
Jillian O.: yay! Xxx 25, 2015 8:38:01 PM CDT
Martha O.: go JILLIAN 🙂 Xxx 25, 2015 8:38:09 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: Way to go, JILLIAN!!! Xxx 25, 2015 8:38:12 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: SO YES – ULTIMATELY GOD IS OUT TO BEAT THE DEVIL. GOD JUDGES HIM AND HIS OTHER FALLEN ANGELS. HELL IS ACTUALLY FOR HIM, NOT MAN. Xxx 25, 2015 8:38:13 PM CDT
Julie B.: good job JILLIAN 🙂 Xxx 25, 2015 8:38:17 PM CDT
John W.: Wow nice JILLIAN Xxx 25, 2015 8:38:23 PM CDT
Jillian O.: now I get it….I was wondering what these “magicians were” Xxx 25, 2015 8:38:25 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: THAT SAID, THOSE WHO GET CAUGHT UP IN HIS TRAIN, FOLLOWING THE DEVIL, GO WITH THE DEVIL. Xxx 25, 2015 8:38:29 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:39:03 PM CDT
Karen M.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:39:06 PM CDT
Anita Z.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:39:09 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:39:15 PM CDT
Jillian O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:39:19 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: WE MAY THINK GOD IS HARSH IN THE OT. BUT – I SUGGEST – WE REALLY HAVE THIS BIG, BIG PROBLEM OF UNDERESTIMATING THE EVILS OF HUMAN NATURE. HAVE YOU EVER ASKED YOURSELF – AFTER WATCHING ONE OF THOSE OLD NEWSREELS FROM THE 30’S… WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IF YOU WERE IN NAZI GERMANY? Xxx 25, 2015 8:39:20 PM CDT
Martha O.: very scary Xxx 25, 2015 8:39:40 PM CDT
Michael A.: It is hard to say… Xxx 25, 2015 8:39:55 PM CDT
Megan A.: yes Xxx 25, 2015 8:39:59 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: HOW DID ALL OF THOSE FINE, CULTURED EUROPEANS GET CAUGHT UP IN THAT? WHY DID SO MANY PERSONS THINK THAT HITLER WAS A GOOD LEADER, AND LEADING THEM IN A RIGHTEOUS CAUSE? Xxx 25, 2015 8:40:03 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: Yes. It is very hard to imagine. Xxx 25, 2015 8:40:03 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: Conformity? Xxx 25, 2015 8:40:16 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: brain washed Xxx 25, 2015 8:40:20 PM CDT
Mason L.: It’s easy to see how people will do whatever they can to avoid death, or conform Xxx 25, 2015 8:40:21 PM CDT
Megan A.: fear of being different Xxx 25, 2015 8:40:31 PM CDT
John W.: Your faith would be tested for sure Xxx 25, 2015 8:40:34 PM CDT
Julie B.: If you say enough it becomes true. Xxx 25, 2015 8:40:35 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: AND REALIZE THAT THESE ANCIENT CULTURES IN THE BIBLE WERE BRUTAL BEYOND OUR IMAGINATIONS SOMETIMES. EGYPTIAN MEANT “HUMAN”. EVERYONE ELSE WAS?…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:40:37 PM CDT
Michael A.: The “boiling frog” theory Xxx 25, 2015 8:40:45 PM CDT
Jillian O.: people always want someone to blame….they were upset about losing ww1 and needed someone to blame Xxx 25, 2015 8:40:45 PM CDT
Martha O.: scared to not follow the leader Xxx 25, 2015 8:40:46 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: THEY SACRIFICED INFANTS, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE (VERIFIED BY ARCHAELOGY) – NOT THE EGYTPIANS, BUT THE CANAANITIES…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:41:06 PM CDT
Jillian O.: animal Xxx 25, 2015 8:41:08 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: THESE CULTURES MADE REJECTING GODS LOVE, LIGHT AND LIFE A FINE ART…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:41:26 PM CDT
Susan R.: that ia terrible Xxx 25, 2015 8:41:30 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: horrible Xxx 25, 2015 8:41:36 PM CDT
Susan R.: sad Xxx 25, 2015 8:41:38 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: MANDATORY TEMPLE PROSTITUTION , DISREGARD FOR THE YOUNG, THE WEAK, WOMEN, THE POOR. CORRUPTION…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:41:45 PM CDT
Karen M.: that’s sad Xxx 25, 2015 8:41:48 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: GOD DESIRES ALL TO BE SAVED, BUT WHEN HE AND HIS PURPOSES ARE RESISTED…. THE MESSAGE HERE IS THAT WE MUST WATCH OUT. Xxx 25, 2015 8:42:12 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: so awful, and yet so similar to today Xxx 25, 2015 8:42:19 PM CDT
Martha O.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:42:24 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: HE WILL DEFEAT EVIL TO SAVE HIS OWN. SEE THIS VERSE: The wicked become a ransom for the righteous, and the unfaithful for the upright. (proverbs 21:18) Xxx 25, 2015 8:42:29 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: NOTE ISAIAH 43:4: 4 Because you are precious in my eyes, and honored, and I love you, I give men in return for you, peoples in exchange for your life. Xxx 25, 2015 8:42:42 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: …FOR THEY WERE CAUGHT UP IN SATAN’S TRAIN… THEY WERE CAUGHT UP IN THE REBELLION… THE HIGH TREASON AGAINST THE KING…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:43:08 PM CDT
Mason L.: Like a failied coup d’etat Xxx 25, 2015 8:43:24 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: STILL THE MESSAGE OF THE BIBLE WOULD BE THAT IF WE HAVE NOT BEGUN TO TRUST, FEAR AND LOVE HIM, WE TOO ARE IN THE SAME BOAT AS THE DEVIL….AND WE KNOW WHAT THE PENALTY FOR HIGH TREASON IS… Xxx 25, 2015 8:43:35 PM CDT
Susan R.: * Xxx 25, 2015 8:44:11 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: BUT, WHAT DO THE SCRIPTURES SAY? THIS: … HERE IS OUR LIFE PRESERVOR: JESUS, THE INNOCENT ONE, BECOMES THE WICKED ONE – TAKING ALL OF OUR EVIL IN AND ON HIMSELF… AND PAYS THE PRICE. Xxx 25, 2015 8:44:11 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: FOR US. HE *BECOMES SIN* FOR US. THE LAMB OF GOD. THE PASSOVER LAMB. SO THAT WE MIGHT HAVE FORGIVENESS, LIFE AND SALVATION… Xxx 25, 2015 8:44:36 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: AND WITH THAT I WILL CLOSE… ITS CLOSE TO 8:45… Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:01 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: SOME WEEKS I GO A FEW MINTUES OVER, BUT NOT TONIGHT… Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:13 PM CDT
Karen M.: you make things so much easier to understand 🙂 thanks! Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:21 PM CDT
Miranda Y.: * Thank you! Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:28 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: I’LL STICK AROUND – FEEEL FREE TO GO…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:29 PM CDT
Susan R.: thank you. good nifght everyone Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:30 PM CDT
Josephine H.: Thank you! Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:30 PM CDT
Martha O.: Thank you for your info, it makes more sense when you explained it 🙂 Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:32 PM CDT
Julie B.: Thanks, goodnight! Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:32 PM CDT
Jennifer C.: ok thanks. have a good night Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:32 PM CDT
[Jennifer C. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:35 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: good night Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:35 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR JOURALS Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:36 PM CDT
Anita Z.: Thank you Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:36 PM CDT
[Susan R. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:37 PM CDT
[Julie B. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:39 PM CDT
John W.: Thanks for your time. Can’t tell you how much this is helping me to understand Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:39 PM CDT
[Anita Z. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:40 PM CDT
[Megan A. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:42 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: MAKE SURE YOU DON’T FORGET Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:42 PM CDT
Rebecca S.: have a good week! Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:43 PM CDT
Michael A.: good night Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:44 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: GOOD NIGHT Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:45 PM CDT
[Miranda Y. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:46 PM CDT
[Rebecca S. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:47 PM CDT
Susan R.: Thank you. Thanks for translating Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:47 PM CDT
[Michael A. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:49 PM CDT
[John W. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:51 PM CDT
[Susan R. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:53 PM CDT
[Josephine H. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:55 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: when are journals due again Xxx 25, 2015 8:45:57 PM CDT
Martha O.: tomorrow Xxx 25, 2015 8:46:06 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: TOMORROW NIGHT AT MIDNGIHT Xxx 25, 2015 8:46:08 PM CDT
Cassidy W.: thank you Xxx 25, 2015 8:46:13 PM CDT
[Cassidy W. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:46:16 PM CDT
Martha O.: thx you Xxx 25, 2015 8:46:19 PM CDT
[Martha O. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:46:21 PM CDT
[Karen M. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:46:25 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: YOU’RE WELCOME… Xxx 25, 2015 8:46:26 PM CDT
Jillian O.: quick question-in Exodus God “hardens Pharoah’s heart”….why is this? Xxx 25, 2015 8:46:27 PM CDT
[Mason L. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:46:46 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: JILLIAN – YOU WILL NOTE PHAROAH HARDENS HIS OWN HEART FIRST…. IT IS AT THAT POINT THAT GOD HARDENS HIS HEART AND USES HIM AS AN INSTRUCEMTN TO INCREASE GOD’S GLORY – BY GLORIOUSLY SAVING HIS PEOPLE…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:47:19 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: I THINK IT SAYS 2 OR 3 TIMES THAT PHAROAH HARDENED HIS OWN HEART FIRST…. Xxx 25, 2015 8:47:45 PM CDT
[Mason L. joined the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:47:45 PM CDT
Jillian O.: that’s what I thought….just wanted to clarify Xxx 25, 2015 8:47:46 PM CDT
[Mason L. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:47:49 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: OK – ANYTHING ELSE? Xxx 25, 2015 8:47:55 PM CDT
Jillian O.: Nope. Have a good night! Xxx 25, 2015 8:48:04 PM CDT
[Jillian O. left the session] Xxx 25, 2015 8:48:13 PM CDT
Nathan Rinne: GREAT ! YOU TO. Xxx 25, 2015 8:48:13 PM CDT

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