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Lutherans are *not* boring: why Lutheran Pastor William Weedon did not become Eastern Orthodox

10 Feb

There are few men I respect as much as Pastor William Weedon.  The man is knowledgeable, passionate, and kind to a fault.  Not to embarrass Pastor Weedon too much, but when I talk about sanctification and holiness, his name comes to mind (and another Lutheran saint in particular, Pastor Kurt Marquart).

In a recent post by Anthony Sacramone of the Strange Herring blog, he spoke of how Lutherans are boring, and I gladly linked to that post.  Now, I found on his blog the two videos in this post featuring Pastor Weedon.  It them, he is talking with a group of Lutheran pastors about how and why he almost left Confessional Lutheranism for Eastern Orthodoxy, and this is not boring in the least.

If you are curious about this topic, you’ll want to give this talk a listen.  If you are not that curious, you may also want to give it a try.  Pastor Weedon is a very easy man to listen to – and I must say, a very fine apologist for Lutheranism.

He talks about “waking up from an enchantment – a beautiful dream – that wasn’t real”.*  What does this mean?  Check it out.  If you don’t have time for both parts – and I strongly recommend both parts – part 1 can certainly stand alone.

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*You’ll also hear an interesting line about venerating the icons of the fathers vs. actually reading what they wrote.

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Posted by on February 10, 2014 in Uncategorized

 

4 responses to “Lutherans are *not* boring: why Lutheran Pastor William Weedon did not become Eastern Orthodox

  1. D. Stall

    August 29, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    Abba Sisoes does not beg for more time for repentance, or say that he has not even begun to repent after a lifetime because his conscience has nothing sure on which to rest. It’s his humility speaking which does not believe there is any worth in his self or any of his WORKS, not even his repentance. His face shines like the sun because in his humility whereby he sees himself as nothing and God as everything, he has communion with God (perfection), with Light Life and Love. His face shines just as Moses face shone after seeing the backside of God on Mt. Sinai, and as the Lord Jesus Christ shone at his transfiguration and after his resurrection.

    In Orthodoxy, the Meaning of Life, the purpose of life is repentance. It’s lack of communion with God by which time becomes the manner in which humanity experiences life. There is no time in eternity, in the presence of God, no past or future. Repentance is why humanity has been removed from the Garden of Eden, from communion with God, and finds itself “driven out”, East of Eden in the Valley of the Shadow of Death.

    To beg for more “time” is to know one’s need for repentance. Without humility no repentance. Without repentance no forgiveness. Without forgiveness no communion with God.

    It is because Abba Sisoes has great faith in God that he wants more time for forgiveness.
    In actuality he has communion with God and is “perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect”, but he is not conscious of that perfection. To become self conscious is to become proud and stumble. In being “last:, God made Abb Sisoes “first”.

     
  2. D. Stall

    August 30, 2014 at 3:57 am

    he more I watch/listen to these videos, the more obvious it becomes that Herr Wheedon was looking for a “get out of Lutheranism free card” to quote his own words. When faced with demonic doubts about humbling himself to the Church and before the Theotokos, he crumbles because he wasn’t really interested in the Orthodox Church, only in leaving Lutheranism with which he’d become disenchanted. His gravitation to Orthodoxy was negative, a knee jerk reaction to his disappointment with LCMS, not a positive embrace in search of Truth.

    Heb. 11: 1,6 “Faith in Action” –
    “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen,
    But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God
    must believe that He is a REWARDER of those who diligently seek Him.”
    Matt. 7:7 “Ask and it will be given you; seek and you will find.

    Wheedon found, but sought for the wrong reason, and when trial and temptation came, he found the ground of his heart unprepared to nuture the seed of faith, it withered, and like a dog returning to its vomit, he returns to wallow in the mud of the reformation. 2 Peter 2:22

    Yes, the Church fathers held in paradox the two paradigms of salvation, but it was Rome that ignored Christus Victor and in so doing overemphasized the Anselmian “satisfaction” view of atonement. The abuses of Rome, her lording it over others like a worldly state, has given that view of atonement an incredibly negative association, and it falls on deaf ears today, and has fallen on deaf ears for a long time. People today need to hear that they have the potential to become like God and how a human goes about doing that. They need to hear about the spiritual dangers of the world, and how to guard and fight against them, not against each other. They need to understand the solidarity of human essence, how God is the lover of humanity, and the Father of Lies is the only real enemy of humanity. Hence, it is against him that humans rightly direct their anger, not against each other.

    There is so much, much more that could be conveyed, but suffice to say, that if Luther’s doctrines were what Wheedon says they are, they would have been taught that way. Instead, “confessional” Lutheranism proceeded to count angels on pinheads and came to resemble scholasticism, to the point that Pietism sprang up in reaction to dry, intellectualism. The same old battle wages hundreds of years later between “conservative” confessionals and “liberal” pietists, only now American politics has been dragged into the fray, as if confessionalism is equated with the Republican party, and pietism with the Democratic.

    If Wheedon can “reform” centuries of such haranguing, more power too him.
    In the meantime the Church remains outside western European intellectual constructs as she has for 1200 or more years.

    See –
    The Orthodox Veneration of Mary the Birthgiver of God — St. John Maximovitch

    St. Seraphim Orthodox Cathedral, Dallas – Interactive
    Roll over asp and click on Mother of God Platyera
    http://www.iconsexplained.com/iec/02664_iconostasis_and_apse_1100x825.htm#interactive

    Embracing Love
    http://www.iconsexplained.com/iec/iec_citation_serge_boulgakov.htm#embracing

     
    • Agnus Dei

      April 12, 2016 at 6:31 pm

      Um, it’s Pastor “WEEdon” nor “WHEEdon” and no true Christian would deny the need for repentance. The differences between East and West are as much cultural and linguistic as they are spiritual. I would never trade the joy of the Gospel I have as a Lutheran for the baggage that both Rome and Constantinople still carry from their imperial pasts.

       
  3. infanttheology

    August 30, 2014 at 4:24 am

    D. Stall,

    “To beg for more “time” is to know one’s need for repentance. Without humility no repentance. Without repentance no forgiveness. Without forgiveness no communion with God.”

    No serious Lutheran would ever say there is communion with God without repentance of forgiveness so I am not sure what you are saying there.

    And I have a hard time reconciling what you are saying with Romans 5:1 and I John 5:12-13.

    “His gravitation to Orthodoxy was negative, a knee jerk reaction to his disappointment with LCMS, not a positive embrace in search of Truth.”

    How can you be so confident of this your evaluation? I’ve never gotten the impression from Pastor Weedon that his interest in Orthodoxy was not sincere.

    Mine was too, I believe.

    +Nathan

     

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